How much power can you get out of the 16v? Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. '84 Euro 500SE, '85 Euro 2.3-16, '51 Euro 170S, '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport, '15 G63 AMG. Is a swap possible? Anyone with experience in HFM swaps care to shed some light as to exactly what I need to pull out of the donor 124? Learn how your comment data is processed. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? You must log in or register to reply here. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. His forum name is SG Motorsports. How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. Learn how your comment data is processed. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. Originally Posted by Kestas. . I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. haha, no worries! We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. The body features a custom widebody designed by SeidoWorks. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. ugh! Learn how your comment data is processed. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Mrten will lower the power to around 860 whp while . I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. via Engine Swap Depot You should really quit your day job and open up an MB repair shop + wrecking/parts yard. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. Would you recomend doing this swap? I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. it isnt a direct swap. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. What engine can fit into this car? The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. i'd ditch the 18's and go with 16 or 17's you really don't want to tear apart a good working 2.6 5-spd because they are getting harder and harder to come by. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. A number of years back I had converted a manual 1987 W124 200 (4 cylinder carb engine) to a 3.6 HFM engine and auto trans. JavaScript is disabled. It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. It was one mean looking machine with I think 300 something ponies under the hood. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL. Engine Swap Depot. torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. Not needed anyhow. Lower hose is only about 20cm long. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. I did all the swaps and all the work myself. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. JavaScript is disabled. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). In order to use the M104 CIS intake box, the supply line must be swapped. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Any slk egne fit in there? Well, I am right with you. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. Notable differences include the knock sensor and variable cam advance feature. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. No matter how i lean it back and forth the steering box is not touching anything, the engine mounts are in the correct place it and it has like a 2-3 cm gap from the starter. Maybe a steering unit from a w210? Wow, Thanks for all the info. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. Power will be greater with an LS swap. It's like obsidian gray in color so it can't be, then again it's been repainted, but I think the same color. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. w16302ML500 w21097E50Amg w20299C230K w12494420e /==>w12495320e-199u (needs elec TLC) /GreatWhiteNorth Kanada, I dont think w210 would be the right forum for this but i changed it, 89 190E2.6- 5-speed Manual - 200K miles, 95 E320 Sportsline-sold, 2001 E320 4matic Wagon-sold. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? Makes a fantastic daily driver. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. The wire mounting location differs on the alternator for a W124 versus a W201. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? Learn how your comment data is processed. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. Affectionately called the LS-190, the swap looked to be carefully planned out, and rather well executed. It barely sticks now when floored. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. __________________. Was real nice. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. The M104 A/C manifold's low pressure hose cannot reach the connection point at the edge of the fender on a 190E chassis. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. Probably $5k for the engine, $1.5k for the tranny, and the cost of the computer plus labor, figer 9-12. Connect common ground at intake manifold. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. But any ways, what engines can I put in my 190? :p, What about suspension and the rearend? Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. So my question is, can I just find a used M104 3.2 liter engine and ECU, and toss it into my car? Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. engine alone. AMG would be nice and or a V8. Bolt starter to transmission later. Is it possible to have 5-speed w/ this engine? The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. Use it however you wish or block it off. Hello, I'm new to the Mercedes world, just picked up a 1993 190e 2.6 sportline 5spd manual for my daily driver. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. via Oppositelock. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. JavaScript is disabled. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. You must log in or register to reply here. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. And if so is there no way around it? So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. VIN: WDBEA34EXSC224807 FIN: WDB1240341C224807 Engine no. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. my proposition still stands my almost runnign parts car and 5-spd assy for your 2.6 5-spd. I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.d-td-class/2408521-e36-amg-project.html?amp=1, nos AMG Bodykits C126 W126 W124 W201 W116 R107. Yes, I'm putting the 1995 E420 Special Edition on the block for a number of reasons which I'm not going to expound on here about. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. Sweden for a dyno tune. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. Biggest problem isint fuel, if u cant retard ignition according to boost then eventually u have some major engine failure. Is that a street car? you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Learn how your comment data is processed. Hi i'm looking for some information on swapping my w201 (2.0 automatic) for a manual 2.8 m104. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. Swapping from one of the worst sounding modern engines to a fire breathing Stuttgart Six was a great idea. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. i think you would need to splice int he wiring harness from the 104. it is alot of work if i had to do this i would do a m117 swap. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. I am sorry for the disagreement/clash in likes, but I would prefer arctic white over this, or malachite green on silver. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. you have a diamond in the rough. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. 20cm is slightly too long). Navigation Menu . all that accumulated grease and oil. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. with a M104 at least you have a timing chain,with built internals 900 + hp possible. My M104 is a 99 hfm. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! Yeah, I've got a thread going over there too. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v Read More Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six 1994 Mercedes Wagon with a Turbo LSx - Part 14 July 9, 2018 W124 For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). Removed the front bumper, upper radiator support, radiator, condenser, and engine harness. Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 Doing the upgrades on an E420 is plug+play, and easily done if you have the ability to handle an engine swap. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. It's actually a fairly popular swap, and the motor can be controlled with a standalone system of your choice. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Custom steering geometry secondary firewall and motor mounts tear into the 190E yet, i new..., with built internals 900 + hp possible to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission versus a W201 carrier and mounting i... 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